I think that nails it, xjwsrock.... & just as you explained, Terry..
"Reality is cold"
i am a curious person.
i am challenged by the unknown.
i can be driven, out of sheer frustration, to penetrate a closed veil of conspiracy.
I think that nails it, xjwsrock.... & just as you explained, Terry..
"Reality is cold"
so my wife and i have been in the process of fading for a few months now as per my original post here.
about a week ago, i was browsing some ex-jw facebook groups when i saw a post that linked to the crisis of conscience book.
i said "f@(k it" and hit share on it.. a few hours later, i get a long text letter from my mom (who was a fb friend of mine) telling me the typical "good luck finding friends in the world" and how we have "nothing in common anymore"; basically, it was a 'farewell' text.
Very good, Sanchy!
It is so nice to hear from people with morals! Cheers to you and your wife, embrace that you are a good person, feel good that you have stood up for what is right.
Your argument was great, right on, could not be argued with.... at least with a 'reasonable' person. Problem is, JWs are not reasoners, they are followers. Followers of books, directions, letters from the GB.
Hopefully, somehow, you will be one of the lucky ones who get people who have not been totally hardened by their commanders. Hopefully, you will slip thru the cracks.
Either way, you have your self esteem. Best thing in the world to have.
Congrats! Cha Ching!
i salute you.. when i was in, i was a brainwashed idiot.
it instilled an arrogance and made me part of a community that contributed to your suffering.. i remember when i would see a jw parent drag their teens to the meeting.
some of these parents had converted recently, some had been some years.
I like that too, WingCommander!
"The 'truth' is only a mouse click away!"
and yet another sale of watchtower property.... http://www.ibj.com/articles/59973-suburban-mega-church-expanding-into-downtown-with-big-purchase.
suburban megachurch expanding into downtown with big purchasea historic church building at the corner of 12th and delaware streets has been purchased by a large congregation expanding into the downtown area.. traders point christian church in whitestown is spending $2 million to renovate the 35,300-square-foot structure and should have it ready for worship early next year, rev.
james stanley said.. the neoclassical, limestone building has been used as a place of worship since it was built in 1912 and had been owned by the jehovah’s witnesses since 1978.. the location at 1201 n. delaware st., across from the benjamin harrison presidential site, will be the third for traders point.
Good one Sour Grapes,
"But Brothers, three years ago we donated to the new assembly hall and it still isn't started yet. If we give more money when will it be started? Friends, It will be started SOON."
They now have 'overlapping generation' promises!
for those of you that asked, below is a copy of my solicitors letter to the elders in my old congregation.
he sent a similar one directly to bethel and a medical directive to my daughters gp to go on her medical records that i have already given permission for her to have a blood transfusion should she need one:.
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Very true, Gulf Coaster! My sister & I are 'two different souls'... The pictures in the old books were interesting to me... I was a bit disconnected to them... She, on the other hand, was terrified by them. It has tortured her all of her life.
We have been around this religion for over 50 years. It still affects her, tho we both have left the religion!?! She is slowly trying to erase the decades of indoctrination and fear.
The WT has this down to a science, they realize how it effects people, they get letters, complaints, they read suicide letters, etc... so they 'know.' They are not innocent indoctrinators, they have blood on their hands.
hugs to all,
Cha Ching
so my wife and i have been in the process of fading for a few months now as per my original post here.
about a week ago, i was browsing some ex-jw facebook groups when i saw a post that linked to the crisis of conscience book.
i said "f@(k it" and hit share on it.. a few hours later, i get a long text letter from my mom (who was a fb friend of mine) telling me the typical "good luck finding friends in the world" and how we have "nothing in common anymore"; basically, it was a 'farewell' text.
Sir82... the court case was not won, much was involved... my husband is still trying to 'help.' He has to remain undercover / out of thee limelight, so that he has more success, and he is pleased with the after events that he has helped in.
We thought more of the people we knew would 'stand up for righteousness sake'... but alas, morals did not prevail over 'protocol'
thx for the request.... perhaps one day there will be a 'revealing'
Cha Ching!
so my wife and i have been in the process of fading for a few months now as per my original post here.
about a week ago, i was browsing some ex-jw facebook groups when i saw a post that linked to the crisis of conscience book.
i said "f@(k it" and hit share on it.. a few hours later, i get a long text letter from my mom (who was a fb friend of mine) telling me the typical "good luck finding friends in the world" and how we have "nothing in common anymore"; basically, it was a 'farewell' text.
Vidiot... Haha, i like that new term, "Aclostate", as much as "i am part of the 'Kevinly' class"'!
so my wife and i have been in the process of fading for a few months now as per my original post here.
about a week ago, i was browsing some ex-jw facebook groups when i saw a post that linked to the crisis of conscience book.
i said "f@(k it" and hit share on it.. a few hours later, i get a long text letter from my mom (who was a fb friend of mine) telling me the typical "good luck finding friends in the world" and how we have "nothing in common anymore"; basically, it was a 'farewell' text.
I think I agree with Dozy.... Once your mom said goodbye to you, simply because you posted, I mean what does it matter what the elders say? Hmm?
My mom became VERY businesslike with me when I quit going to the meetings for a righteous cause. My husband testified against the WT in a pedophile trial (he was an elder for decades) and they DFd him for telling the truth. I do no support liars, and stopped going. That was it. No posting of CC on Facebook, etc.
Unless your mom totally respects the elders as above her decisions, you may be history already.
I hope it goes well for you, tho elder's meetings are a wild hare... you never, and I mean never know what they will do... even if an elder's book says so.... really.
Please let us know!
Cha Ching!
i am a curious person.
i am challenged by the unknown.
i can be driven, out of sheer frustration, to penetrate a closed veil of conspiracy.
So true, Terry, people love to be entertained! Great article, and breakdown of magic.
I was watching a fairly recent movie about "Magic" and Houdini... at points, they showed how the trick was done... and it was simple, a letdown. How could it be that simple? Right? So, I could feel what you were saying, "there is no payoff"... there is no 'prestige'.
That is how the "Society" has made if for over a century.... Promises, promises.
so the sophia and caleb videos on jw.org where the parents emotionally abuse their children (especially the sparlock/obey jehovah video and the pay attention at the meetings/death threat video) were real eye openers for me.
previous to these videos, i was able to delude myself that the crazy, unbalanced behavior i noticed in some witness parents was the result of their own mental issues.
now i realize this craziness is being pushed and encouraged from the tippy top, from the grand ole maleficent seven.
Sophia & Caleb videos.... can we say "conTROLLLLLing"!?
No "my little pony"? My niece, never a JW, had her JW grandparents visit, they showed her that Sparlock video, and in just one day, they had her afraid of her toys!
If ice cream cones are $1, and all JWs gave $1 a day, that's $8 million a day! GB's have fancy suits, fly first class, eat out.
I saw a video of a boy who told his story at a convention, of how he sold his 4-H calf, just to donate to the Society for Warwick, while the WT spends $4,000 a day to pay the court because they don't want to obey the law! Made me cry....
No make believe? The Society puts that green blobby thing in the background in that one video.... Scary!
I'm glad they made those videos... you get to see the mentality of the WT very easily! Thank you Borg!